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Old 12-06-2017, 08:52 AM
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:17 AM
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I was going to suggest that one way to close the loophole is to not count "empty" games as games played
This seems to be the best solution.

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Old 12-06-2017, 09:23 AM
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still playing for fun, and maybe to stave off dementia, and definitely to procrastinate. I don't mean to offend anyone for whom wordtwist is 42, but is there a secret prize (apart from staying sane and delaying humdrum tasks) that I don't know about?

I have an internal "yaaay" when a player who I admire, and have had entertaining moements with in the forums, wins an award, but like....you can't acutally melt those trophies down, can you? That is my long winded way of saying chill, relax, have fun everyone!

(and this coming from someone who wants to carry around a black texta to correct things like "potatoe's" when passing the greengrocers...). Peace out. xx
I like to have fun, procrastinate, AND win prizes. (I'll let you know about the dementia thing.) I'm working on trying to melt my trophies down (or maybe just trade them in for bitcoins).

Of course you're right, for the most part, but scoring invites competition (hopefully friendly competition), and that works best on a level playing field. Anyway, I don't take my trophies too seriously. I can't put them on my mantel or anything, so the only people who see them are those on this site, and even here, it's only the small subset who care about points/word that pay attention.

By the way, I'm with you on the "potatoe's" thing. It's like we've been invaded by apostrophes (or is that apostrophe's?).

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Old 12-07-2017, 04:00 AM
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For all those commenting on how others are playing the game: The rules of the game do not forbid what you don't like. I would prefer that the game not count any board on which you do not find at least one word. I made that suggestion years ago, and the game still allows the player to count games on which no play has been made. I do not, myself, start games and then immediately submit them so as to come up to the 51 game requirement. If I play a board all the way to the end and can't find a word that would score enough points, that's when I get a board with zero words. I have also played a lot of games where I DID find a word and it wasn't enough points -- so I abandoned that game before the end. Therefore, I have played MORE games than my count would show and spent MORE time looking for high-scoring words than you would compute. I agree that it would be nice if there were only some kind of rule that would force players to submit some reasonable number of words in addition to the "games played" requirement, and I still think that boards played on which no words were found should not count at all, but I don't get to make up the rules. I can, like you, only suggest improvements. So far as "playing the game according to the way others are playing it", I have no idea how others are playing it and I think it would be a futile exercise to try to determine that; if it were even possible, ten minutes later a new player would play the game differently and cause another storm of messages. No, the only real way to get the game you want is to suggest that the rules be altered. I hope they are. A long time ago, I also suggested that the time limit for the games be dropped and replaced with a requirement that a valid word be submitted at least every ten seconds. That would also address your concerns and would make the game fairer for players who were not accomplished typists. Alas, that would also make the game very different and invalidate all previous records. I can understand why that suggestion wasn't implemented.
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:40 AM
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bwt1213, points taken (no pun intended). Anyway, it sounds like we play similarly, so that I hit 51 games long before I hit my target number of words. I've wondered what I'd do if I fell far short of my target for some reason. If I wanted to stick to what I've said is fair, I'd have to take whatever words I could find at the last minute, pretty much tanking my score. (Actually, it would probably be a more gradual process, lowering my expectations as the time ran out & panic set in.) Then again, I could just go ahead & sit on my high score with fewer words. I guess I might find out which I'd do if or when that happens.
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Old 12-18-2018, 09:02 AM
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lalatan/thinkbig once suggested a minimum of around 25 words, and I'd go along with that. I don't really like a minimum points/game, since I generally end up with a lot more games than words. (Even if I don't play anything, I'll let the time run out just to see the longest word that had been played before,)
lalatan cheated by getting one LONG word in a game: superhumannesses. That was his/her only word. We know because we were the second person/team to play, and his/her handiwork showed up. All you have to do to cheat is have a second laptop and input all the letters into an auto-boggle solving app. It takes almost three minutes to do it, so you have time to input ONE word into the game, and of course you choose the longest word. We know this from personal experience, but it is NOT fun, so we don't do it.
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Old 12-18-2018, 12:18 PM
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lalatan cheated by getting one LONG word in a game: superhumannesses. That was his/her only word. We know because we were the second person/team to play, and his/her handiwork showed up. All you have to do to cheat is have a second laptop and input all the letters into an auto-boggle solving app.
Just read some of the posts around here Troglodyte... Lalatan is probably one of the top posters and is rather open about methodology, which provides an alternative explanation to what you saw. Incentive systems (and stats and leaderboards are certainly those) can bring about otherwise unintuitive behavior, in this case, there is a "highest average points per word" category. If you were gunning for a trophy in that category, typing in super, human, ness, nesses, etc. would be self-defeating and would drop you average points per word like a rock. To optimize, you would look for the the longest, highest value word you could and submit that, and only that at the end of the game. It's a very different optimization path than trying to get the highest score, highest average number of words, or even highest total aggregate score - you want to get near the top of any of those lists you are probably extremely optimized in some sense or another.
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Old 12-19-2018, 02:55 AM
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Lots of people here are good at finding long words (just check the monthly stats), and I assume that none of the regular players resort to Boggle solvers. (Not only that, but SUPERHUMANNESSES, while decent, isn't particularly long or high scoring.) Like boberto says, if you want to push up your average points/word, you just have to be selective.

I've been playing with (and against) lalatan (aka thinkbig) long enough to know that he doesn't have to resort to cheating. By now, I consider him a friend, and I learned a lot about playing for long words from him.
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:34 AM
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lalatan cheated by getting one LONG word in a game: superhumannesses. That was his/her only word. We know because we were the second person/team to play, and his/her handiwork showed up. All you have to do to cheat is have a second laptop and input all the letters into an auto-boggle solving app. It takes almost three minutes to do it, so you have time to input ONE word into the game, and of course you choose the longest word. We know this from personal experience, but it is NOT fun, so we don't do it.
Lalatan goes for longest and best word records and doesn't care about the highest total points and most words stats, so he only ever submits long and high-scoring words. If he only finds one likely candidate for a new record, he'll submit only that one word. He doesn't use a boggle solver though, and neither do I when I choose to compete with him. You can find longer words by looking for certain combinations (like -nesses, -ations etc) and by not wasting time typing out low-scoring 4 letter words.

Everyone has their own definition of cheating. Personally, I would consider playing as a team cheating, but it obviously isn't actually against the rules, so it's fair game. Submitting only long words definitely isn't against the rules, it's simply a matter of playing style and preference.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:49 AM
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lalatan cheated by getting one LONG word in a game: superhumannesses. That was his/her only word. We know because we were the second person/team to play, and his/her handiwork showed up. All you have to do to cheat is have a second laptop and input all the letters into an auto-boggle solving app. It takes almost three minutes to do it, so you have time to input ONE word into the game, and of course you choose the longest word. We know this from personal experience, but it is NOT fun, so we don't do it.
I waited to reply to your post until now so I could calm down (somewhat) before responding. You saw I played one word on a game and your conclusion was I used a boggle solver???!!! It's remarkable you seem to be so oblivious to the existence of long word players here. I've written in this forum what I think of cheaters: to summarize, there's no point to it. It's not a challenge and there's no satisfaction in it (which to me is why cheaters seldom last more than a few hundred games played). Their actions rob legit players.

I've played 60k games (36k with this username) on WordTwist Boggle, studied thousands of word lists, learned how to interpret board stats, abandoned many more games than I've completed and clicked through thousands and thousands of games to find ones worth playing. I've collected and retained over 20k best/longest word records. Are you also saying I used a boggle solver for those games?

I recall what happened in that game you mentioned since it's recent and I had never seen the word played before by anyone. I spotted -nesses right away, then saw super in the upper right corner. I noticed it continued with -human. Total time elapsed: 30 seconds or so. Typed in the word, got 30 pts for it. Was satisfied it was likely the best word available on that board. Thought about playing the singular as well but it wouldn't raise my monthly average by much so I submitted the game. Total time elapsed: <1 minute. Onto the next game... Warning: late last night I also played a new game and set 2 records for INDECIPHERABLENESS.

boberto, Spike and kate: thanks for your comments and votes of confidence.

lol kate. I've seen some records set by teams like the Trogs, nana&papa etc. and also thought, "Isn't that an unfair advantage and a form of cheating?"

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